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Machine learning through 'reflective metaprogramming.'

Haskell on Reddit - Tue, 07/08/2014 - 3:31am

Let's assume for the sake of argument some future time where computer algorithms are 'smart' enough to write their own code within a native source language or framework, then refactor and optimize that code, and basically add to their own programming to meet established goals or targets, which can themselves be modified and/or evolve with metaprogramming.

If this mythical machine existed and wrote code to modify its own programming, without concern at all for human readability or comprehension but instead purely for its own efficient design and function, then what language would it likely use in the most optimal scenario born out of current present day technologies?

  1. machine language
  2. assembly language
  3. C
  4. Lisp
  5. Haskell or ML variant
  6. Erlang
  7. Dynamic scripting language (Python, etc)
  8. Low level alternatives to C (D, Rust, Nimrod, etc)
  9. Other
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how to get ghci to load compiled modules in 7.8?

haskell-cafe - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:25pm
I recently upgraded to 7.8.2 and I have a silly question. How do you get ghci to load compiled modules? When I try this: % cat >T.hs module T where x :: Int x = 42 % ghc -c -dynamic-too T.hs % s T.dyn_hi T.dyn_o T.hi T.hs T.o % ghci GHCi, version 7.8.2: :? for help Loading package ghc-prim ... linking ... done. Loading package integer-gmp ... linking ... done. Loading package base ... linking ... done. Loading package filepath- ... linking ... done. Prelude> :l T [1 of 1] Compiling T ( T.hs, interpreted ) Ok, modules loaded: T. *T> It still loads the file interpreted, even though there is a .dyn_o present. What am I doing wrong? This is on x86-64 OS X.
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Where is Haskell going in industry?

Haskell on Reddit - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 3:13pm

I know this question may seem somewhat confrontational, but it's actually a thoughtful open letter from someone who really enjoys Haskell programming but whose day job unfortunately has involved lots of C++, Java, and Fortran programming throughout my career ( I work in games industry currently ).

Why is there is so much work on building more perfect languages and abstractions when the industry adoption already lags 25-30 years behind what you fellows are already working with?

I don't want to appear like I'm against progress in languages. I'm all for higher level and better abstractions and heated debates about extensional versus intensional type theory. But Haskell ( and FP on a larger scale ) seems to be of the "obelisk" model of design, seeing how high and far we can go, instead of the "pyramid" style of building out abstractions that can cover a larger area of use-cases.

For instance, there's a lot of bad C++ out there that is a giant imperative mess but covers enough of the industry use-cases, that network-effects tend to negate the use of anything better. I don't see anything replacing C++ for games programming on the order of the next 25 years and that scares me.

At least to me it appears the gap between the average industry programmer and the working Haskell developer is not shrinking but becoming insurmountably large. Even reading through Learn You a Haskell doesn't come close to preparing someone to read through half the libraries on Hackage. There's hundreds of languages extensions, types, and advanced patterns that seem to be ubiquitous but are not explained anywhere for the layman.

So my question to you fine Haskellers is how do you see Haskell getting more industry adoption and what can be done by folks like myself to help get there?

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André Pang (ozone): Markup Plugin for RapidWeaver 5

Planet Haskell - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:26pm

For the RapidWeaver users out there, I’ve updated my antique Markup plugin to work with RapidWeaver 5 (slow clap). It also now lives on GitHub, like all the other cool open-source projects published after about 1970. (BitBucket is so 1969.)

As an aside, ohmigosh, there still isn’t anything out there that’s as good as RapidWeaver for building websites. I wanted to redo my site, and looked into a bunch of RapidWeaver alternatives, especially Web apps. Tumblr, Wordpress, Blogger and all that are great for just blogs, but useless for building anything more than a blog. Online site-builders like Squarespace, Weebly, and Virb are either way too dumbed down, too complex, have the most boring themes, or more likely, are all of the above. Despite RapidWeaver still being compiled for ppc and i386 only (it’s not a 64-bit app yet), and using the Objective-C 1.0 runtime (my Markup plugin uses +[NSObject poseAsClass:]!), it is still the best thing going for building sites. Amazing.

Anyway, Markup plugin, go get it.

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can we do better than cabal sandbox?

Haskell on Reddit - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:47am

I've heard the idea of installing shared libraries with cabal and ditching the dependencies. This to me sounds better than cabal sandboxes because it allows you to reuse libraries without needing to reinstall them, and hopefully without needing to redo your entire cabal when you go for an upgrade to your libs. Unfortunately this wouldn't (afaik) improve the amount of time it takes to install these libs.

However if it were possible to install the dependencies as well, compile these shared libraries with the installed dependencies (if the version matches) and then have a new independent library, than I think our package management infrastructure would be solved. If the installed dependency is a version mismatch, we could install this library with a temporary instance of the desired dependency, and then toss jt.

Is this possible ? Do you think this is a good idea/would help?

Also while I'm on the podium might I add that it feels like overkill for cabal to be managing packages, building and sand boxing all on it's own? I think it should at least be split into separate commands

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strange behavior of GHC 7.8.2

haskell-cafe - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 4:18am
Hi cafe, I noticed that strange behavior of GHC 7.8.2. Consider the following example which requires the "ghc" package: ---- {-# LANGUAGE GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving #-} module A where import GHC import MonadUtils import Control.Monad.Trans.RWS.Lazy (RWST(..)) newtype M a = M (RWST () () () IO a) deriving (Functor,Applicative,Monad,MonadIO) ---- The "ghc" library depends on "transformers" If "transformers" ** is NOT installed, GHCi can handle the code above well: ---- % ghci -package ghc A.hs ... Loading package transformers- ... linking ... done. ... Ok, modules loaded: A. [*A] ---- However, if "transformers" ** is installed, an error happens: ---- % cabal install transformers % ghci -package ghc A.hs ... Loading package transformers- ... linking ... done. ... [1 of 1] Compiling A ( A.hs, interpreted ) A.hs:10:49: No instance for (MonadIO (RWST () () () IO)) arising from the 'deriving' clause of a data type declaration
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How to have a managed window unfocusable?

haskell-cafe - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 3:23am
Hi, I'd like to have a transparent clock floating on my desktop. If I made it ignored (unmanaged), it would not be above and would be blocked by other windows. If I made it managed and float, when I floated up and down, it would be focused and I needed to press hotkey again to move focus to correct window. Anyway I could manage it, but not focusing on it?
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ML Family workshop: First Call for Participation

General haskell list - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 2:41am
Higher-order, Typed, Inferred, Strict: ACM SIGPLAN ML Family Workshop Thursday September 4, 2014, Gothenburg, Sweden Call For Participation Early registration deadline is August 3. Please register at This workshop specifically aims to recognize the entire extended ML family and to provide the forum to present and discuss common issues, both practical (compilation techniques, implementations of concurrency and parallelism, programming for the Web) and theoretical (fancy types, module systems, metaprogramming). We also encourage presentations from related languages (such as Scala, Rust, Nemerle, ATS, etc.), to exchange experience of further developing ML ideas. The workshop is conducted in close cooperation with the OCaml Users and Developers Workshop taking place on September 5. Program * Andreas Rossberg 1ML -- core and modules as one (Or: F-ing first-class modules)
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Haskellers in Chile

Haskell on Reddit - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 1:42am

I am an avid Haskeller and will be in Santiago, Chile for around 6 months starting August. I was wondering if there are any Chilean Haskell groups or meetups that I can join.

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Designing Dependently Typed Languages - OPLSS '14

Haskell on Reddit - Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:09am

At this year's Oregon Programming Language Summer School Stephanie Weirich gave a a series of lectures walking through the development of a simple dependently typed language in Haskell.

The videos are available as .mp4 files at:

and the github repo for the source code is available at:

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Can we get this language FAST

Haskell on Reddit - Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:11pm

If your average coders haskell code outperformed your average coders C code, I don't believe there'd be anything holding us back from popularity. I don't think that's impossible either if we could makes faster data structures default. list and String really don't cut it. I feel that this language should succeed and I think this is an important step along the way.

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how to turn on RTS options?

haskell-cafe - Sun, 07/06/2014 - 5:53pm
I need to change some runtime options. I updated the options line in my cabal file: ghc-options: -Wall -fno-warn-orphans -O2 -rtsopts But when I rebuild and run, it's as though runtime options are still disabled. C:\johan\Haskell\projects\bio-acai>cabal build .\bio-acai.cabal has been changed. Re-configuring with most recently used options. If this fails, please run configure manually. Resolving dependencies... Configuring bio-acai- Building bio-acai- Preprocessing executable 'acai' for bio-acai- Preprocessing test suite 'tests' for bio-acai- C:\johan\Haskell\projects\bio-acai>dist\build\acai\acai.exe +RTS -H128m -K64m *acai.exe: Most RTS options are disabled. Link with -rtsopts to enable them.* My best guess is that the "ghc-options" line is the wrong place to try to turn on RTS option handling. But what's the right one?
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[ANN] codex 0.1.0 - generate tags file fromdependencies

haskell-cafe - Sun, 07/06/2014 - 5:00pm
Hi, Just to let you know that I released a new version of `codex` (a tool which generate a tags[1] file for a given cabal project using the sources of all the dependencies of that project). This release include some bug fixes as well as two new features: - Support modules added using `cabal sandbox add-source` as workspace dependencies - Support `emacs` format by disabling sorting on merge of tags files Thanks to everyone who reported bugs or submitted patch! [1]Those tags file basically contain references to functions/types definition in source code and allow "jump to definition" like functionality in text editors. source: hackage:
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